than governor romney pays in his federal income tax. >> their ideas are old and their ideas are bad and they eliminate the guarantee of medicare. >> that statistic was completely misleading but more importantly -- >> that's the facts. >> this is what politicians do when they don't have a record to run on. >> rose: joining me now in new york is rich lowry, editor of the "national review", from danville is mark halperin of time magazine, chuck todd of nbc news and from washington al hunt, executive editor of bloomberg news, joining us shortly from washington will be katty kay of the bbc world news america, gwen ifill of pbs and joining us in new york is john dickerson of nbc news and slate magazine, i am glad to have all of them and we go to al hunt for an assessment of what you saw in evening. >> charlie, we saw the anti-obama tonight, and his name was joe biden, the vice president did everything the president failed to do last week. he effectively, i felt rather effectively and passionately defended most administration policies, and he also effectively criticized without malice some